The”Pro-Choice”Bluff Has Been Called

42 Replies to “The”Pro-Choice”Bluff Has Been Called”

1. Far be it from me to defend Planned Parenthood, but I will say this – having worked for them, I know there is a direct correlation between PP promoting abortion and whether or not their clinics actually perform abortions,

   Here in Utah, Planned Parenthood has no interest in promoting abortion (other than politically) because they don’t perform them, and don’t benefit monetarily from them.

   It’s always about the money.

   In fact, if it’s so important, it should be free, like the ‘free’ health care they want to foist on us. There shouldn’t be one penny charged to perform that most noble and important of medical procedures – baby slaughter.

   You can bet that if it somehow became profitable to promote childbirth, they’d fall all over themselves to outlaw abortion.

   Just babbling here.

   1. Imagine how PP would stand if they profited from delivering live babies rather than dead ones. They’re a 900+ million dollar industry promoting behavior that keeps children from being born, either by halting their conception or terminating them. Promoting life would directly affect their bottom life. They are pro-abortion and they are most definately anti-life.

      1. Amen. Follow the money.

2. Am I the only one who sees the irony in the most controversial thing at this year’s Superbowl being an advertisement with people talking and not women taking their tops off? I don’t remember anywhere near this level of outrage at Janet Jackson’s infamous “wardrobe malfunction” a few years back. And the ad hasn’t even aired yet!

3. Jehmu’s argument is so weak it is pitiful.

   Its like pro tobacco folks jumping up and down, complaining about CBS, complaining about a group, and complaining about an ad that celebrates non smokers.

   They come across as the dictatorial zealouts that they are.

   Sean James and Al Joyner putting on display again the the argument that 1. Women are strong 2. Because of that strength they must be able to kill babies in their womb 3. Taking away that right somehow takes away the strength that women must have. Illogical.

   There will be a reckoning for our country, for the world if we don’t repent of this great sin.

4. I’ve read in other sources (ie. blogs that haven’t seen the ad), that Tebow’s advice to get an abortion was “medically necessary”. Specifically, that both her and her unborn son’s lives were at risk if the pregnancy went to term. Obviously this blog believes that the advice regarded the potential quality of Tim’s life. If this blog is correct, then I’d have to agree that Planned Parenthood is being over zealous. But if Mrs. Tebow’s “choice” was to sacrifice both her life and her unborn son’s life, then you are correct; that’s not the choice that Planned Parenthood would normally support.

   I guess we’ll have to wait a few more hours and see what the real message of this commercial is.

   1. if Mrs. Tebow’s “choice” was to sacrifice both her life and her unborn son’s life, then you are correct; that’s not the choice that Planned Parenthood would normally support

      Of course, that is a mischaracterization of the issue. But then, again, setting up strawmen in order knock them down is a common tactic.

      1. It wasn’t a mischaracterization of the issue. At the time, we didn’t know what the true issue was. Calling a disagreeable argument a strawman seems to be a common tactic as well.

5. There’s so many questions concerning this Planned Parenthood ad. 1 Where are the white guys? 2 Is this ad aimed at young black men and black women? 3 Have they (James and Joyner) been paid thirty pieces of silver? Did (James and Joyner) stop and think about the impact of their comments on their families…..sons and daughters? These men have been greatly deceived. This ad is about death babies in the womb, death of the soul of mothers and fathers.

6. GOD BLESS the TEBOW FAMILY and what they are about to do. Remember that Edmond Burke said “Bad things happen because Good men do nothing…..

7. Planned Parenthood is Pro-Choice, but encourages and advocates abortion. What it really should be called is Pro-Death.

   Insurance companies prefer abortions over full term pregnancies because it is considerably cheaper and now the US Military is dispensing the morning after pill at all military health facilities fulfilling one of its missions to kill the enemy, but in this case to kill the innocent and defenseless because it is more convenient and cheaper..

8. I have friends that have been told, at Catholic hospitals nonetheless, that they should abort their child because the child would have a severe defect (God help me if any one ever dare say that to my face). They went through with the pregnancy and had the children – who are all fine, one is slightly developmentally behind her peers, but nothing big. I think what Tim Tebow’s life shows is the arrogance of the medical profession to think they can foresee the defects. There have even been babies born with half a brain that function perfectly fine. I used to do youth ministry and had the privilege to know a few down syndrome children, what a blessing they are. As St. Mother Teresa said, they are professors of love! Yet, how often are women told that the medically responsible thing to do is kill their children! I hope this ad brings to light the evil recommendations that lurk in the post ultra-sound discussion. We should not be afraid to have an ultra sound because of what the crazy doc on duty that day may say to us.

   1. Thanks for this story.

9. I find it interesting that two black men are used as spokespeople to counter the Tebow ad.

   http://www.acts1711.com/sanger.htm

   1. Yes, very interesting indeed.

10. Twenty one years later, here is another football star Pro-Life video resurrected by the Washington Post. Tragically, some 25-30 million U.S. babies have been destroyed since it’s airing.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2010/01/29/VI2010012903542.html

    1. Thanks for this excellent link. You’re right is a real battle and our victories don’t seem stellar. But, I think the numbers approving of abortion have been dropping. Perhaps critical mass will soon be reached,

11. You’re invited to use these new pro-life slogans: “Unborn babies should have the right to keep and bear arms – and legs and ears and eyes etc.!” and “Unborn babies should have the same right to be born alive that abortionists had!”
    PPS – Super Bowl suits me to a T – Tim Tebow!

    1. You are spot on!!!!

       1. Yes, I have heard that Maine has been more mild than usual. It was explained by a weatherman that the plunge of arctic air has been a bit west of maine in general and that an ocean breeze has kept things a bit more mild there.

          Go babies Go!

    2. OK!

12. My heart breaks everytime I hear Planned Parenthood strike out against someone who chooses life. Everyone wants to argue when life begins. For myself, it is at the moment of conception. Not just because of my strong Roman Catholic beliefs, although it is what got me thinking about the subject, but something I came up with a long time ago. For the science community out there, I beg you to try this one on for size. The fertilized egg is a human being just at a different stage of human development. Human beings develop and look different through out their life. We don’t look the same at 16 as we do at 36 or even 96 (if we make it that far) and we don’t look the same moments after conception as we do at birth, but we are still human. At a certain point ,yes, we look “human” as we recognize it and eventhough we maintain the same general look for the remainder of our existence we still continue to change and develop. We may start to notice a mole, wrinkles, graying hair etc. These are all different stages in the same life. Of course for all of this to happen we must be ALIVE. In order to develop organs and limbs in the womb, we must be ALIVE just like we have to be ALIVE outside the womb in order to develop those wrinkles and gray hairs. And last I checked in order to be ALIVE, LIFE must be present. To me this is an argument that can be made and won whether you are a believer or not. I love my faith and, yes, abortion is at the heart of it but it’s not a religion issue, it’s a life issue. And you don’t have to, I think, believe in God to see it for what it really is, murder. God Bless.

    1. You’re right, life has many stages, all of them sacred.

13. The whole Tim Tebow-FOTF brouhaha reminds me of a similar flap that arose seven or eight years ago: the hysterical overreaction to Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ. Simply put, the “culture of death” doesn’t want any faith-positive messages given prime time or publicity, so they bellow and scream in the most counterproductive manner possible. People were looking for the ad who would otherwise have gotten up for chips and beer. Just goes to show that the “culture of death” doesn’t own the media completely, and that they’re sometimes their own worst enemies.

    1. Yes, how DARE we rain on their parade? Seems to be their logic.

14. The actual ad shown in the First Quarter did show Mrs. Tebow and her adult son, and referred to a difficult pregnancy; but omitted the fact that doctors had advised her to terminate the pregnancy, or why they said this. So it was “dumbed down” to the point that even a pro-lifer would have trouble determining the point of the ad.
    It was worthwhile to try; but apparently CBS network editing eliminated the intended message. The controversy over the ad probably increased the number of people who viewed it.
    TeaPot562

    1. It was a family program, and FOTF did focus on a mother and son. I think FOTF played their hand well. So much was said about the ad before it aired. The controversy caught the attention of many who likely agreed with the opposition’s stand about not discussing abortion during the Superbowl. After the ad aired, I’m sure those people were like, “What was PP & NOW’s problem with that?” I’m sure curiosity over the ad/controversy about the ad drove a lot of traffic to FOTF’s website, where who knows who will read what and rethink their pro-choice position.

       Btw, did anyone note the absence of girls in bikinis and Viagra commercials last night? Maybe all the talk about this ad prompted a focus on family vaues.

       1. Yes I seems PP over-reached on this one. I did also hear some disappointment on our side as to how vague the ad was. But for CBS to approve it I guess it was expecting too much for the ad to all that we would wish

    2. Agreed. I made a similar remark with Bender.

15. Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like the Tebow ads were a case of false advertising. What was actually shown was NOT what was described before.

    Both were promotions for Tim Tebow, to be sure, but neither had anything to do with choosing not to abort him, neither had to do with explicitly choosing life. See both ads here.

    Pre-Game Advertisement

    PAM TEBOW: I call him my miracle baby. He almost didn’t make it into this world. I remember so many times when I almost lost him. It was so hard. Well he’s all grown up now, and I still worry about his health. Everybody treats him like he’s different, but to me, he’s just my baby. He’s my Timmy, and I love him.

    TIM TEBOW: Thanks mom. Love you too.

    The ad closes with text urging Super Bowl watchers to visit the Focus on the Family web site at http://FocusOnTheFamily.com for the full Tebow birth story.

    In-Game Advertisement

    Pam: I call him my miracle baby. He almost didn’t make it into this world. I can remember so many times when I almost lost him. It was so hard. Well he’s all grown up now, and I still worry about his health. You know, with all our family’s been through, you have to be tough…

    Tim tackles his Mom.

    Pam: Timmy! I’m trying to tell our story here.

    Tim: Sorry about that, Mom… You still worry about me, Mom?

    Pam: Well, yeah, you’re not nearly as tough as I am.

    The ad closes with text urging Super Bowl watchers to visit the Focus on the Family web site at http://FocusOnTheFamily.com for the full Tebow birth story.

    1. Yes, I guess it was hoping too much to think that CBS would have approved any more explicit. FOF did a masterful job though in raising the issue outside the AD itself. The workup to the AD may have been their real goal all along. They also forced PP to over-reach.

    2. I COMPLETELY agree that the lead-up to the ad was, well, false advertising. It sounded like Pam was discussing a difficult pregnancy, or talking about health issues Tim may have had as a child. Not the slightest hint about choosing life.

16. Wake up America ! Interesting that it’s African Amercians in this video that are use to promote Planned Parenthoods’ very subtle and diabolical message of abortion. The founder of planned parenthood in the very early days ,Margaret Sanger was a RACIST SUPREME.
    The agenda is still the same hasn’t changed just much more hideously subtle in it’s approach…. Get rid of the Africans and any other American idiots Makes you think what Oboma’s real agenda is because he is a violent pro abortionist. In my view he is an IMPOSTER of the worst kind as he masquerades as aso called good man so called Noble Peace Prize material. Where has your good old common sense gone? You don’t have to be a genius to figure it out !!!! Weapons of mass destruction are with you America. They are ANTI AMERICANS in your government,
    your hospitals, clinics, pre schools, schools, and all higher education faculties. Your media , magazines, and movies infiltrate and captivate the minds of ordinary citizens that are so high on materialism and so easily DUPED. Bring on the recessions et al because difficulties will shake everyone back into GOOD REALITY.Start fighting the REAL WAR that’s going on. THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH is that by now you are mentally ill and in need of DELIVERANCE…an intervention of DECENCY,TRUTH,WISDOM,and ALL GOOD VALUES is needed. A nation that murders it’s most vulnerable unborn, mentally challenged and it’s mother’s and fathers (euthanasia), feeds on pornography, death, and adultery etc with it’s own; CANNOT prosper and stands at the door of collapse. Turn around America look at history all debauched societies collapsed….Any “travisty” of earthquake, floods, bomb plots etc etc will be preferable and merciful if it achieves the necessary REALISATION of TAKE THE RIGHT PATH save your children, have civilised families,cultivate good moral values again turned from this SECULAR PLURALISTIC MENTALLY ILL MINDSET and GET YOUR TRUE FREEDOM back. YOU are ENSLAVED TO A LIE under the guise of freedom.

    1. Yes, I have written on the racist origins of PP before. perhaos it’s time to dust it off and presnet a version here.

17. One of the things I like to ask the most ardent “pro-choice” supporter is if they are aware of the fact that no one is allowed to touch or destroy the EGG of a bald eagle in this country, even if they do not know if it is fertilized or not. Leaves them speechless.

    1. Alright!

18. Focus on the Family played their hand well?

    Focus on the Family misrepresented the content of the ad. Sure, it ended up making the pro-abortion crowd look silly and extreme, but it also manipulated the pro-life community into defending ads that ended up being, not about life, but about Tim Tebow and Focus on the Family.

    The whole controversy was a scam. It was a bait-and-switch. And I don’t particularly like being manipulated into thinking I’m doing one thing — defending the pro-life cause — when actually what I am doing is encouraging people to support some special interest group.

19. Who cares?

    On the one hand, you can prevent an unborn child from being “murdered” (a term which doesn’t apply to abortion in any sense of the word), and on the other, you can prevent a future person from living a potentially-miserable life, not to mention the lives of the parents and family being affected because pro-life extremists want to cling desperately to something they.

    I’m not all for having abortions willy-nilly or anything, but, hell – a world where the choice is there, no matter what, is better than a world where every garbage-family’s child whose irresponsible parents can’t use protection and are all but forced into having, and raising, the child in and under crummy circumstances. Adoption > Abortion > “Pro-Life”. You can be pro-life and still have an abortion – you’d just be preventing people, including yourself, from having a crappy life that you’re not prepared for.

    It’s mind-boggling how abortion is still any sort of debate at all. If you don’t want one, don’t get one. Just don’t impose a life of woe upon people who might see having an unplanned child as an unfortunate incident – which it would be.

    1. Sorry you don’t care. But if you don’t really care let’s have it my way OK? No abortion, outlaw it now. Your remarks show that you are clearly rooted in the “culture of death” which for Catholics means that it proponents often prescribe death as a therapy or remedy to problems. Death is a strange therapy indeed.

       1. Whatever the heck that means. Sorry I don’t care? I don’t. And I’m not. And you shouldn’t be, either. Strange therapy? Seems to have worked for…everybody who’s ever lived since the dawn of time? Everyone, ever? There’s nothing strange about death, and it’s not being used as “therapy”, it’s being used as an outright solution, which it is. Then again, why constitute the ceasing of existence of a non-sentient parasite as an actual “death”?

          What about the people who commit suicide after they give birth to an unwanted child that they cannot care for? What about the people who commit suicide, or worse yet, grow up and kill other people because they weren’t raised well? What about the whole families who are financially, psychologically, and emotionally – PERMANENTLY – impacted by children (not to mention the children, themselves) that cannot be cared for? What about all the lives that get thrown away in the process of outlawing abortion? I’d hazard a pretty good bet that more lives will undoubtedly be ruined and wasted by the outlawing of abortion than those could potentially ever be denied further existence (or “life”, if you want to call it that) by allowing it. Sure, it’ll always suck to think that a potential baby who might grow up to cure cancer might not have a chance, but what about the mother, father, and other family members whose life investments are all but thrown away when they have to try and care for a child that is unwanted or simply can’t be cared for by them? Adoption then becomes the only other solution, which I’m personally a proponent of, but even still – that’s a sentencing to nine months of special health care, some of which constitutes joblessness (which often can’t be regained) that also probably can’t be taken care of. Having an unwanted child, no matter what, is lose-lose…for all involved. You can salvage happy lives from it, but in the end, it’s an unplanned and undesirable experience. Why have something that you don’t want, if you can choose not to have it? That’s pro-choice. And it’s pro-choice, not pro-“death”. Seems “pro-life” equates more to “pro-misery” than anything else.

          1. Death is a very strange therapy. McWagnick, you know abortion is wrong. Your anger and the profanity I had to edit out shows that you know abortion is wrong. Deep down inside your conscience tells you it is wrong, and you know it is wrong. Under all your attempts to justify and explain abortion is a still small voice which testifies to you that killing infants in utero is wrong. Deep down you know this is true.

20. In Crossing the Threshold of Hope(p.205) Pope John Paul II wrote, “Often the question is presented as a woman’s right to free choice regarding the life already existing inside her, that she carries in her womb: the woman should have the right to choose between giving life or taking it away from the unborn child. Anyone can see that the alternative here is apparent. It is NOT possible to speak of the right to choose when a CLEAR MORAL EVIL is involved, when what is at stake is the (5th) Commandment Do not Kill!”
    Sadly, we Americans have allow our Nation’s laws to become an affront to Christ and his Heavenly Father. I know in my heart that the Blessed Virgin Mary is pleading for mercy before the Father and his Son for our sinfulness. To my Catholic brothers and sisters listen to Our Lady of Fatima; pray the Rosary daily, do some sort of fasting, and do works of Penance for the reparations of sins in this world. My fellow Christians join us in pray for a change in heart of this world. St. Faustina warned us that souls are falling into hell like snowflakes. God told St. Faustina to remind the world of the truth of our faith revealed in the Holy Scripture about the merciful love of God towards every human being. GOD is LOVE. GOD is TRUTH.

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