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	<title>Comments on: Archbishop Wuerl&#8217;s Op-Ed in today&#8217;s Washington Post</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Lutfi</title>
		<link>http://blog.adw.org/2009/11/archbishop-wuerls-op-ed-in-todays-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-3379</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lutfi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to anything, anyone and everyone who will stop this. Besides praying, how can we help?</description>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Archbishop&#039;s response and subtle coercion of public policy clearly demonstrate the importance of separating church and state in this country.  Any church and its followers are and should continue to be protected in their beliefs WITHIN the confines of their churches.  Likewise, citizens of this country should be protected from discriminatory practices by religious institutions OUTSIDE the confines of the church. 
When Churches like the Catholic church leave their sanctuaries  and push public policy like they do with Gay Marriage, trouble ensues.  Labor laws and human rights and equality are governed by the State.  The church should abide by such laws and not be allowed carve outs.
As the Catholic church continues to seek to influence public policy to restrict individual rights in very public platforms, we should revisit the very generous tax exemptions such churches enjoy.  Those of us who pay taxes should be assured that the recipients of such largess are not using our money to proselytize and discriminate against us.  A complete separation of church and state would ensure that.
You go Archbishop.  I support your aim to keep your church pure with its beliefs if it is coupled with a complete severing of any tax subsidies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Archbishop&#8217;s response and subtle coercion of public policy clearly demonstrate the importance of separating church and state in this country.  Any church and its followers are and should continue to be protected in their beliefs WITHIN the confines of their churches.  Likewise, citizens of this country should be protected from discriminatory practices by religious institutions OUTSIDE the confines of the church.<br />
When Churches like the Catholic church leave their sanctuaries  and push public policy like they do with Gay Marriage, trouble ensues.  Labor laws and human rights and equality are governed by the State.  The church should abide by such laws and not be allowed carve outs.<br />
As the Catholic church continues to seek to influence public policy to restrict individual rights in very public platforms, we should revisit the very generous tax exemptions such churches enjoy.  Those of us who pay taxes should be assured that the recipients of such largess are not using our money to proselytize and discriminate against us.  A complete separation of church and state would ensure that.<br />
You go Archbishop.  I support your aim to keep your church pure with its beliefs if it is coupled with a complete severing of any tax subsidies.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://blog.adw.org/2009/11/archbishop-wuerls-op-ed-in-todays-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2498</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Archbishop Wuerl for defending the truth of our faith. May God bless you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Archbishop Wuerl for defending the truth of our faith. May God bless you!</p>
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		<title>By: Another Bill</title>
		<link>http://blog.adw.org/2009/11/archbishop-wuerls-op-ed-in-todays-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2474</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am gay, and a Catholic. I personally am on the fence regarding the issue of gay marriage, because like so many other Catholics, for me it&#039;s more than just a civil issue. However, I don&#039;t believe in forcing my beliefs on others. I converted to Catholicism six years ago because during a mass God spoke to me. My life was changed. I love the Catholic church and I love what God, through it, has done for me. I also appreciate the opportunities for me to give back to the church and to the community.

However, I was very disappointed to read in the Washington Post today that the Archbishop is supporting and encouraging acts of civil disobedience. After signing &#039;the document&#039; Ms. Gibbs goes back and tries to cover up the issue by saying that&#039;s not what he really means. C&#039;mon folks you can&#039;t have it both ways. I just wonder  how Wuehl would feel if these acts of civil disobedience that he is supporting were acted out against him? I&#039;ve been in a church service where someone stood up in the middle of a minister&#039;s remarks and acted out. It&#039;s not pretty - - but it is &#039;civil disobedience&#039;. I feel like the Archbishop has stopped shepherding and started lobbying. We&#039;ve got enough lobbyist in this city.

Until then, I will pray that these &#039;acts of civil disobedience&#039; supported by the Archbishop don&#039;t find a way into the Mass - - for his sake, and for the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am gay, and a Catholic. I personally am on the fence regarding the issue of gay marriage, because like so many other Catholics, for me it&#8217;s more than just a civil issue. However, I don&#8217;t believe in forcing my beliefs on others. I converted to Catholicism six years ago because during a mass God spoke to me. My life was changed. I love the Catholic church and I love what God, through it, has done for me. I also appreciate the opportunities for me to give back to the church and to the community.</p>
<p>However, I was very disappointed to read in the Washington Post today that the Archbishop is supporting and encouraging acts of civil disobedience. After signing &#8216;the document&#8217; Ms. Gibbs goes back and tries to cover up the issue by saying that&#8217;s not what he really means. C&#8217;mon folks you can&#8217;t have it both ways. I just wonder  how Wuehl would feel if these acts of civil disobedience that he is supporting were acted out against him? I&#8217;ve been in a church service where someone stood up in the middle of a minister&#8217;s remarks and acted out. It&#8217;s not pretty &#8211; - but it is &#8216;civil disobedience&#8217;. I feel like the Archbishop has stopped shepherding and started lobbying. We&#8217;ve got enough lobbyist in this city.</p>
<p>Until then, I will pray that these &#8216;acts of civil disobedience&#8217; supported by the Archbishop don&#8217;t find a way into the Mass &#8211; - for his sake, and for the church.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
		<link>http://blog.adw.org/2009/11/archbishop-wuerls-op-ed-in-todays-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2419</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mrteachersir, 
You are correct.  However, you are still missing the point.  If the Church is adamant about the immorality of contraception, then (in order to stay true to their faith) perhaps they should at least put a disclaimer on the form saying that if you are practicing contraception in the privacy of your own home, then we cannot in good conscience extend benefits to your spouse.  If they do not do something like this then the fact that they offer insurance to the couple &quot;is a tacit approval of their sinful relationship.&quot;  Certainly you would agree that ignorance is no exception for participation in &quot;evil.&quot;  The double standard remains.
Once again, we are talking about health care.  The Church can approve benefits with a disclaimer that they do not support or recognize this as a marriage, but that they still think that ALL human beings &quot;created in the image of God&quot; have a right to health care.
Or put another way, should the church refuse to baptize children being raised in a same-sex household?  Isn&#039;t this &quot;a tacit approval of (the family&#039;s) sinful relationship&quot;?
Commonsense and compassion cannot be overlooked, especially when we are struggling to do God&#039;s work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mrteachersir,<br />
You are correct.  However, you are still missing the point.  If the Church is adamant about the immorality of contraception, then (in order to stay true to their faith) perhaps they should at least put a disclaimer on the form saying that if you are practicing contraception in the privacy of your own home, then we cannot in good conscience extend benefits to your spouse.  If they do not do something like this then the fact that they offer insurance to the couple &#8220;is a tacit approval of their sinful relationship.&#8221;  Certainly you would agree that ignorance is no exception for participation in &#8220;evil.&#8221;  The double standard remains.<br />
Once again, we are talking about health care.  The Church can approve benefits with a disclaimer that they do not support or recognize this as a marriage, but that they still think that ALL human beings &#8220;created in the image of God&#8221; have a right to health care.<br />
Or put another way, should the church refuse to baptize children being raised in a same-sex household?  Isn&#8217;t this &#8220;a tacit approval of (the family&#8217;s) sinful relationship&#8221;?<br />
Commonsense and compassion cannot be overlooked, especially when we are struggling to do God&#8217;s work.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://blog.adw.org/2009/11/archbishop-wuerls-op-ed-in-todays-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2414</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill says:  Although I have to admit ignorance about the make-up of the DC Council, my gut feeling is that it is probably probably faced with the daunting task of handling this policy in an even, fair-handed way.

Bill, what do you have in mind when you speak of a fair-handed way to deal with this policy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill says:  Although I have to admit ignorance about the make-up of the DC Council, my gut feeling is that it is probably probably faced with the daunting task of handling this policy in an even, fair-handed way.</p>
<p>Bill, what do you have in mind when you speak of a fair-handed way to deal with this policy?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://blog.adw.org/2009/11/archbishop-wuerls-op-ed-in-todays-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2400</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure why all the &quot;shock and awe&quot; bluster of both sides of this issue is necessary.  

The Church with all its resources and past record of Christian works has worked best as a reassuring, guiding hand during times of change.  Although his Excellency makes some valid points that assuage some of my worries that the Church is acting as a powerful, dictatorial lobby; in my opinion, he is still offering points of view that can and should be softened.  Although I have to admit ignorance about the make-up of the DC Council, my gut feeling is that it is probably probably faced with the daunting task of handling this policy in an even, fair-handed way.  I know they didn&#039;t wake up some morning and decide to put the Catholic Church in their target sights. Perhaps they haven&#039;t articulated or thought through their position well but that doesn&#039;t mean they deserve to boxed into the religious freedom box that they&#039;re in.

I&#039;m disappointed in the fact that previously helpful and useful services to a struggling district are, although perhaps not explicitly, implicitly held hostage here.  What could lessen that effect is if both sides of the issue ratcheted down the rhetoric and quit firing broadsides claiming x will have to happen when y is decided upon.  
My advice on that is to work towards a better result and then wait to see what happens, rather than determine the end ahead of time.  Both sides may end up being suprised.  

Both sides could also decide to come to the negotiating table working together towards a more open, helpful dialogue.  I Ching provides helpful advice here in my opinion - change often brings good fortune.  Many would say difficult change has reaped many benefits with President Obama and this country.  Of course, others would not.  Further, ridiculous, misguided change is of course not useful for anyone but with the right attitude and work, that doesn&#039;t have to be the end result here. 

Perhaps both sides have already adopted the advice mentioned here and this writing is out of date.  Hopefully that is already the case.  

My fervent hope is that God will continue to bless the Catholic Church and His Excellency with the requisite wisdom needed to find whatever way is possible to help others and work with others of different faiths and beliefs.  I also hope that the DC Council can find a way to help them to continue to do just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why all the &#8220;shock and awe&#8221; bluster of both sides of this issue is necessary.  </p>
<p>The Church with all its resources and past record of Christian works has worked best as a reassuring, guiding hand during times of change.  Although his Excellency makes some valid points that assuage some of my worries that the Church is acting as a powerful, dictatorial lobby; in my opinion, he is still offering points of view that can and should be softened.  Although I have to admit ignorance about the make-up of the DC Council, my gut feeling is that it is probably probably faced with the daunting task of handling this policy in an even, fair-handed way.  I know they didn&#8217;t wake up some morning and decide to put the Catholic Church in their target sights. Perhaps they haven&#8217;t articulated or thought through their position well but that doesn&#8217;t mean they deserve to boxed into the religious freedom box that they&#8217;re in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m disappointed in the fact that previously helpful and useful services to a struggling district are, although perhaps not explicitly, implicitly held hostage here.  What could lessen that effect is if both sides of the issue ratcheted down the rhetoric and quit firing broadsides claiming x will have to happen when y is decided upon.<br />
My advice on that is to work towards a better result and then wait to see what happens, rather than determine the end ahead of time.  Both sides may end up being suprised.  </p>
<p>Both sides could also decide to come to the negotiating table working together towards a more open, helpful dialogue.  I Ching provides helpful advice here in my opinion &#8211; change often brings good fortune.  Many would say difficult change has reaped many benefits with President Obama and this country.  Of course, others would not.  Further, ridiculous, misguided change is of course not useful for anyone but with the right attitude and work, that doesn&#8217;t have to be the end result here. </p>
<p>Perhaps both sides have already adopted the advice mentioned here and this writing is out of date.  Hopefully that is already the case.  </p>
<p>My fervent hope is that God will continue to bless the Catholic Church and His Excellency with the requisite wisdom needed to find whatever way is possible to help others and work with others of different faiths and beliefs.  I also hope that the DC Council can find a way to help them to continue to do just that.</p>
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		<title>By: mrteachersir</title>
		<link>http://blog.adw.org/2009/11/archbishop-wuerls-op-ed-in-todays-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2399</link>
		<dc:creator>mrteachersir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristin, 

When you sign up for insurance, there is no spot for checking off whether you use contraception or not.  Therefore, the Church has no way of knowing if you engage in this sinful practice.  However, when you sign on your insurance for that your policy also covers, as a beneficiary, someone of the same sex, roughly the same age, and at the same address, it is kind of obvious what is going on.  Thus, offering insurance to the couple is a tacit approval of their sinful relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristin, </p>
<p>When you sign up for insurance, there is no spot for checking off whether you use contraception or not.  Therefore, the Church has no way of knowing if you engage in this sinful practice.  However, when you sign on your insurance for that your policy also covers, as a beneficiary, someone of the same sex, roughly the same age, and at the same address, it is kind of obvious what is going on.  Thus, offering insurance to the couple is a tacit approval of their sinful relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Don McCrabb</title>
		<link>http://blog.adw.org/2009/11/archbishop-wuerls-op-ed-in-todays-washington-post/comment-page-1/#comment-2398</link>
		<dc:creator>Don McCrabb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristin - 

The Church is not fighting against benefits for same sex couples - it is preserving its long standing teaching on human sexuality as a precious gift from a loving God for the purposes of the oneness of the couple and children. 

When the Church is an employer, she limits benefits based on her beliefs. My wife and I are employed by the Church. Our health care coverage will not cover an abortion nor contraception. There is no double standard. 

Yes, the Church receives 75% (I presume your are right on this figure, I thought it was lower) from the city and spends 100% to help EVERYONE - regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, or orientation. The Church has always cared for the poor. We have built an extensive network of hospitals in this country - largely through the generosity of religious women. Catholic Charities has a long history of being an exceptional steward of social services caring for the homeless, the drug user, the incarcerated, etc. Consider how much good our educational system has done - largely without the support of public funds. There are children of same sex couples being educated in Catholic schools today, gay men and women being helped with drug addiction or housing today, and many being loving cared for in Catholic hospitals. 

When a person works for the Church, it will only recognize hetrosexual marriages. This will limit the options for some who are in a same sex relationship and would want to work for the Church. If the DC Council allows for this religious exemption, then the fine partnership of compassion forged over many years between the city and the Church can continue. If the exemption is not forth coming, then the city will not award contracts and licenses to the Church. It is the city that is changing the terms of the relationship between the Church and itself and it will be the poor who will suffer - doubly so. Why? Because the Church does a good job of providing exceptional services with little money. Just note the cost difference between educating an elementary student through a Catholic student and a public school. 

So 25% will continue to be served - but than other 75% (based on what you believe the city provides) will not be served by other agencies because they are not equipped to be as effecient or as effective as Catholic Charities. 

The Church is passionate about compassion. Jesus is the source of that passion. He is also the source of our teachings on human sexuality. We must preserve the unity of Christ as best we can given our flawed and limited - and sinful - nature as human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristin &#8211; </p>
<p>The Church is not fighting against benefits for same sex couples &#8211; it is preserving its long standing teaching on human sexuality as a precious gift from a loving God for the purposes of the oneness of the couple and children. </p>
<p>When the Church is an employer, she limits benefits based on her beliefs. My wife and I are employed by the Church. Our health care coverage will not cover an abortion nor contraception. There is no double standard. </p>
<p>Yes, the Church receives 75% (I presume your are right on this figure, I thought it was lower) from the city and spends 100% to help EVERYONE &#8211; regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, or orientation. The Church has always cared for the poor. We have built an extensive network of hospitals in this country &#8211; largely through the generosity of religious women. Catholic Charities has a long history of being an exceptional steward of social services caring for the homeless, the drug user, the incarcerated, etc. Consider how much good our educational system has done &#8211; largely without the support of public funds. There are children of same sex couples being educated in Catholic schools today, gay men and women being helped with drug addiction or housing today, and many being loving cared for in Catholic hospitals. </p>
<p>When a person works for the Church, it will only recognize hetrosexual marriages. This will limit the options for some who are in a same sex relationship and would want to work for the Church. If the DC Council allows for this religious exemption, then the fine partnership of compassion forged over many years between the city and the Church can continue. If the exemption is not forth coming, then the city will not award contracts and licenses to the Church. It is the city that is changing the terms of the relationship between the Church and itself and it will be the poor who will suffer &#8211; doubly so. Why? Because the Church does a good job of providing exceptional services with little money. Just note the cost difference between educating an elementary student through a Catholic student and a public school. </p>
<p>So 25% will continue to be served &#8211; but than other 75% (based on what you believe the city provides) will not be served by other agencies because they are not equipped to be as effecient or as effective as Catholic Charities. </p>
<p>The Church is passionate about compassion. Jesus is the source of that passion. He is also the source of our teachings on human sexuality. We must preserve the unity of Christ as best we can given our flawed and limited &#8211; and sinful &#8211; nature as human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think every fair-minded person needs to appreciate the Archbishop&#039;s very civil and moderate comments.  While affirming the Church&#039;s historic view on marriage, he seems reconciled to the likihood of passage by the DC Council and does not call for any undemocratic means to resist this (such as action by bodies unelected by any DC citizens).  He seems simply to ask for an open discussion of how protections might be developed.

Contrary to earlier talk, we now know that employer provided health benefits are regulated under federal law with a state pre-emption.  Therefore this law will make no requirements of any employer (religious or secular) in that regard.  With the matters of dispute now narrowed, some agreement should be able to be worked out.

I further appreciate the Archbishop&#039;s statement that all people have equal dignity, regardless of sexual orientation.  I take that as a rejection of the testimony the Archdiocese presented many years ago to the DC Council opposing full repeal of DC&#039;s sodomy law.  Certainly laws that call for putting homosexuals in jail or levying fines against homosexuals is not an affirmation of dignity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think every fair-minded person needs to appreciate the Archbishop&#8217;s very civil and moderate comments.  While affirming the Church&#8217;s historic view on marriage, he seems reconciled to the likihood of passage by the DC Council and does not call for any undemocratic means to resist this (such as action by bodies unelected by any DC citizens).  He seems simply to ask for an open discussion of how protections might be developed.</p>
<p>Contrary to earlier talk, we now know that employer provided health benefits are regulated under federal law with a state pre-emption.  Therefore this law will make no requirements of any employer (religious or secular) in that regard.  With the matters of dispute now narrowed, some agreement should be able to be worked out.</p>
<p>I further appreciate the Archbishop&#8217;s statement that all people have equal dignity, regardless of sexual orientation.  I take that as a rejection of the testimony the Archdiocese presented many years ago to the DC Council opposing full repeal of DC&#8217;s sodomy law.  Certainly laws that call for putting homosexuals in jail or levying fines against homosexuals is not an affirmation of dignity.</p>
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