http://blog.adw.org/2009/08/a-sometimes-humorous-look-at-the-liturgy-of-the-early-church/ Connecting the dots between Catholic faith and culture Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:25:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 http://blog.adw.org/2009/08/a-sometimes-humorous-look-at-the-liturgy-of-the-early-church/comment-page-1/#comment-12818 Msgr. Charles Pope Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:40:16 +0000 http://blog.adw.org/?p=3218#comment-12818 MNS: Sounds like you've been influenced by radical feminist theories. Such revisionist history is extremely dubious and driven more by agenda than true scholarishp. Suggest a jetison. By the way, I cited not liturgy from the 4th or 5th Centuries. The Didiscalia is ca 250 AD MNS: Sounds like you’ve been influenced by radical feminist theories. Such revisionist history is extremely dubious and driven more by agenda than true scholarishp. Suggest a jetison.
By the way, I cited not liturgy from the 4th or 5th Centuries. The Didiscalia is ca 250 AD

]]> http://blog.adw.org/2009/08/a-sometimes-humorous-look-at-the-liturgy-of-the-early-church/comment-page-1/#comment-12817 MNS Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:13:35 +0000 http://blog.adw.org/?p=3218#comment-12817 Sadly much of the information in your article is wrong from findings in archeology of the last 40 years. Dura Europos is not the only house church. Ruins have been found in Spain, Africa, England, and France. These are quite different than the one you talk about. Please read: A Woman's Place: House Churches in Earliest Christianity. By Margaret Y MacDonald and Carolyn Osiek, with Janet Tulloc. You also might want to read the Didache, The most complete remains of house churches are found in rural estates. Yes these were informal gatherings with widely varying liturgies. After Christianity was made the official religion of the Roman Empire, the house churches were gradually closed down by the government over a period of 200 years. The ritual you cite is from the 4th or 5th century, after Constantine's clergy took over, and an imperial hierarchy was in place. The Disdcilia is very fragmentary. Current versions are "filled in" by Apostolic Constitutions and fragments from Greek texts that were written many years later to make it "understandable." What the original said is debatable. Much of the Disdcilia actually deals with women deacons and use of Jewish Prayers for worship. The Vatican keeps trying to create a house church movement that it was somehow the head of. A centralized church organized around a Pope never existed, councils governed an ad hoc organization. As for which way people faced worshiping, presiders faced the people until the around the 10 century. Suggest a rewrite. Sadly much of the information in your article is wrong from findings in archeology of the last 40 years. Dura Europos is not the only house church. Ruins have been found in Spain, Africa, England, and France. These are quite different than the one you talk about. Please read: A Woman’s Place: House Churches in Earliest Christianity. By Margaret Y MacDonald and Carolyn Osiek, with Janet Tulloc. You also might want to read the Didache, The most complete remains of house churches are found in rural estates. Yes these were informal gatherings with widely varying liturgies. After Christianity was made the official religion of the Roman Empire, the house churches were gradually closed down by the government over a period of 200 years. The ritual you cite is from the 4th or 5th century, after Constantine’s clergy took over, and an imperial hierarchy was in place.
The Disdcilia is very fragmentary. Current versions are “filled in” by Apostolic Constitutions and fragments from Greek texts that were written many years later to make it “understandable.” What the original said is debatable. Much of the Disdcilia actually deals with women deacons and use of Jewish Prayers for worship. The Vatican keeps trying to create a house church movement that it was somehow the head of. A centralized church organized around a Pope never existed, councils governed an ad hoc organization. As for which way people faced worshiping, presiders faced the people until the around the 10 century. Suggest a rewrite.

]]> http://blog.adw.org/2009/08/a-sometimes-humorous-look-at-the-liturgy-of-the-early-church/comment-page-1/#comment-9506 Esteban Fealy Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:49:19 +0000 http://blog.adw.org/?p=3218#comment-9506 Many thanks. My spouse and i really take pleasure in browsing well written articles and blogposts about dining room furniture and together with different decorating recommendations. I am getting ready to do springtime remodeling, and am always looking for useful info to inspire me. Many thanks. My spouse and i really take pleasure in browsing well written articles and blogposts about dining room furniture and together with different decorating recommendations. I am getting ready to do springtime remodeling, and am always looking for useful info to inspire me.

]]> http://blog.adw.org/2009/08/a-sometimes-humorous-look-at-the-liturgy-of-the-early-church/comment-page-1/#comment-969 Msgr. Charles Pope Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:52:13 +0000 http://blog.adw.org/?p=3218#comment-969 I have not heard that. But it is a human trait that any gathering can also be used for courtship. Many years ago when I was in college one of the great motivators to get me to go to church was the pretty girls in the choir! :-) I have not heard that. But it is a human trait that any gathering can also be used for courtship. Many years ago when I was in college one of the great motivators to get me to go to church was the pretty girls in the choir!

]]> http://blog.adw.org/2009/08/a-sometimes-humorous-look-at-the-liturgy-of-the-early-church/comment-page-1/#comment-968 jj Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:52:50 +0000 http://blog.adw.org/?p=3218#comment-968 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I saw a video where I lot of these worship gatherings were used for courtship as well. If that is so, come to mass to worship but who knows, maybe there's a spouse waiting for you too. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I saw a video where I lot of these worship gatherings were used for courtship as well. If that is so, come to mass to worship but who knows, maybe there’s a spouse waiting for you too.

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